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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 21, 2010 2:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'You Are The Eyes... brrrrzzzzap... World...' (Movie Soundtrack Question)

Could you two Music Nerds (which I mean in a good way) please elaborate for a semi-illiterate? "First jam, second jam" ... are you talking about specific jams in that specific (or those specific) shows that move between those chords, or a general trend? And if so, at what point? (I don't mean minute markers, just generally.) I could probably hear the chord changes if I knew what to listen for.

Always interesting to actually learn stuff and not just spout off :-) And to get recs.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Oct 21, 2010 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'You Are The Eyes... brrrrzzzzap... World...' (Movie Soundtrack Question)

We're talking about the jams between the verse/chorus pairings, i.e. the jams the band starts up right after "the heart has its seasons, its evenings, and songs of its own!"

After the first one they repeat the pattern of

Emaj7 | Emaj7 | Bmin7 | Bmin7

That is, two bars of Emaj7 and two bars of Bmin7 (a bar lasts four beats in this case). There's roughly two beats per second (a little less actually, more like 1.5 beats per second, but it depends which version you're listening to).

After the second verse/chorus they do

Emaj7 | Emaj7 | Bmin7 | A

SC likes the first one better because it has more tension, and I agree, but having the A there has its own brand of delicious as well.

I hate 90% of the eyes that came after their hiatus. Notable exceptions include 8/13/75, 9/3/77, and 10/9/82. I think the band would have gone in a much tighter, more open direction had they not brought Mickey back; I think the music from 1974 shows a level of sophistication that was never reached again. That's not to say I can't find shows I like after that point, but I think having one drummer was MUCH better for them (for the most part). Mickey tends to pound out the beat in something like Scarlet Begonias in a very obvious way, which is kinda cool but if you compare that to this version:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-07-21.sony22p.bertrando-miller.88553.sbeok.flac16

The drumming here is much more subtle and syncopated. In a 1977 scarlet the drumming is usually pretty boring, at least that's how it sounds to me.

Didn't mean for this to be a longish post but it now is, and I'm too lazy to trim it down.

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Poster: angular Date: Oct 21, 2010 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'You Are The Eyes... brrrrzzzzap... World...' (Movie Soundtrack Question)

or you could just paint a happy little tree

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 21, 2010 7:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'You Are The Eyes... brrrrzzzzap... World...' (Movie Soundtrack Question)

Thanks for the education. Interesting. Did they generally do it that way (i.e., were those patterns and chords inevitable because of the song structure) or did it change over time?

I've always liked the tribal world-music aspect of Mickey's drumming, but I have to agree that two drummers is rather unwieldy, and that the one-drummer period is, well, really really good. Not just for that reason, I'm sure, but still, there it is. I never quite got why they had two drummers in the first place and kept with it; I've read the stories, but it still doesn't make sense to me somehow ...

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Oct 21, 2010 8:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'You Are The Eyes... brrrrzzzzap... World...' (Movie Soundtrack Question)

Those chords were constant - the jams in between the verses were always the same structure. I'm pretty sure this is the case, i.e. every single eyes is like this; it's as constant a part of the composition as the song/verse chord structure.

I think eyes is unique in that the jam/solo section don't directly reflect the chord changes of the song. In most songs the dead do where Jerry takes a solo or two in between verses, he generally just playing along with the chord structure of the verses, "singing" his own tune to it, as it were. But with eyes, the solo section is more modal, that is, scale-based rather than chord based. The band is play the Emaj7 and Bmin7 chords, but to Jerry that just means he gets to play whatever he wants in the E major and B dorian scales without having to worry about fitting into a new chord every 2 seconds.

I appreciate the things Mickey adds, but I think he did his best work before his departure in 1971. By the time he came back, I don't think he really fit into a lot of the songs that had developed in his absence.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Oct 21, 2010 9:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'You Are The Eyes... brrrrzzzzap... World...' (Movie Soundtrack Question)

I agree with everything Midnight C. is saying... :)

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Oct 21, 2010 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'You Are The Eyes... brrrrzzzzap... World...' (Movie Soundtrack Question)

"Didn't mean for this to be a longish post but it now is, and I'm too lazy to trim it down."

You should be taking lessons from the GD. :)

I had always heard that they claimed that there was an audio glitch and they didn't have it. Then I happened to look a the SMR booklet, and there they say that it's from the original 16-track tapes. Oops!

I went to this show. And thanks to Dennis I have the board copy. It's freakishly perfect and wonderful.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 21, 2010 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'You Are The Eyes... brrrrzzzzap... World...' (Movie Soundtrack Question)

I agree about the Scarlet drumming being much better in '74 - it gets weighed down post-hiatus - I even mentioned that aspect here:
http://www.archive.org/post/234873/best-scarlet-begonias-ever
Sugaree's another one where the drums just plod along after Mickey's added. (The rest of the song, of course, was improved! Although that brief 7/21/74 version, like the rest of the show, is still quite captivating.)
I fall into the camp that Mickey harmed more songs than he helped after '75. Late-era Dead shows have painfully dull drumming...and Eyes was all but destroyed, most of the time. (It didn't help that Jerry liked to put it in the 'let's-get-out-of-here' predrums slot...)